from people dying prematurely of covid. suffering long term health, issues mental health issues. the rest was estimated lost economic output over a decade. you could argue maybe some of this lost output would be because of restrictions, even lockdowns. certainly not all of it. and again, more than half is about the health impacts of the virus. a reached out to the papers authors, abby, about this claim that we spent a 16 trillion on lockdowns in particular. one of the harvard economics professor, david color, responded. quote, he's entirely incorrect. that was the cost of covid, not the cost of lockdowns. we are very clear about that in the analysis. and quote. a purely not clear enough yeah, apparently it's not clear, enough it's so good to have you on this. daniel dale. to give folks the facts as they evaluate the candidates out there. thank you very much. thank you all for joining us tonight, cnn tonight with alison camerota starts right now. good evening everyone, i'm

alison camerota, looking to cnn tonight. investigators think they've got about 30 hours left before the air supply runs out for five people on board that missing summer supple. disobey vanished somewhere in the north atlantic on sunday after heading out to see the site of the shipwreck titanic. nearly 13,000 feet below the surface. there are plenty tonight and if any can nurse were cut with safety precautions. so in just a moment i'll speak to a team of experts in deep sea searches. also tonight, under biden's plea deal. the president son will plead guilty to two tax misdemeanors and is reportedly negotiating a detailed federal prosecutors to resolve felony gun charges. what any of us be offered the same deal? we have a reality check for you tonight. and a new cnn poll shows former president trump support is slipping following his indictment for mishandling those top secret documents. we will show you those new numbers. but and let's begin with the

search mission for that missing summer supple with five people on board and time running out. miguel marquez is a new plan tonight with the latest on the search, miguel. but >> mostly what's happening here on the ground and st. john's right now. this is the horizon arctic. this is the sister ship to the polar prince that took the submersible out there. the titans submersible out there. that is what it launched off of. and it is now the polar prince and is taking part in the search for the submersible. there are 3:17 big military cargo jets in atlantic and in st. john's. they have tons of gear to bring onto the ship, we believe. that will then pour out the canadian coast guard ship left earlier today and it is on its way to the search area. there are planes in the air, planes to not only look at the surface planes to drop buoys and listen for anything coming from that submersible.

but the ships are doing that, at least the polar princess but the concern here is buddy should be locating that chip, appearing from it and getting an emergency beacon at some sort. they had not been able to hear anything from the ship so far. it is extremely -- the pressure is extremely great but deep down it is extremely cold but they're running out of oxygen and the fact they come on base that ship yet or that submersible is a great concern. the hard part would be once they find it getting its secured and hopefully bring those people home to safety. alison? >> miguel thank you but let's bring our experts now with me tonight. we have tim taylor, an expert in deepwater searches. you're seeing that isn't who plans and runs expeditions like this and also bill wheeler who's traveled down to the titanic site and has been friends with paul henri and the

missing people for more than two decades. thank you all for being here. so bill, let's talk about that. the new commitment that it just brought in. what is the plan to send a robot down and go to the ground? >> remote operated vehicle is basically a tethered vehicle that is rundown on a cable and operated by men on the ship to drive around with cameras sonar another equipment. >> but at the moment they don't have one that could go down 13,000 feet? >> correct me understand is they have one on site. it goes to 3000 meters there. but they have a friendship that is underway that could hit 6000 meters. but we are much deeper than that but these things are not readily available. they are sitting there, waiting to go. this is a good thing. they have something that maybe there with capabilities before the time runs out. but >> we have some new

information coming into our newsroom about this. the internal u.s. memo finds that crews searching have heard banging sounds every half an hour during their search so this is a crucial concert short summer spa heard this every 30 minutes. today and for our slater after additional sonar devices were deployed the banging was still heard. unclear what the baggy was, or for how long it had been going, subsequent updates on tuesday night suggested more sounds were heard those were not described as banging. additional kosik feedback was heard and will that bring surface assets also indicated taking hope from survivors. so that is the latest update. obviously that is hopeful, though bag. you planned expeditions like this, obviously. but these are not for faint of heart people.

but harrison that many millionaires or billionaires are on this one. they like to do things like this. do you say you try to prepare for every contingency. what would you have done differently? >> my expertise and running for 20 odd years has been working the polar regions of the high arctic. that is very remote, we are underwater, we're not nearly as deep. but it comes down to really mitigating the risk assessment and mitigating risk for yourself. as an expedition leader but the obvious litigation. the potential litigation, the liability, and also look at for my clients. and at the end of the day it's taking care of clients so this is a very very big undertaking. i hope that everything was in place. that they needed. but >> bill as we mentioned you are friends with paul henry.

but for more than bumping >> what about this development? this breaking news that the crews have heard these banging sounds every 30 minutes. and it is after the sonar devices are deployed but. >> as you said. if this is an accurate story then it is a tremendous amount. the time interval but suggest that it can be made and that is something that the ph is going to do but -- >> bill? i think we've lost two. -- >> good try to be located. >> sorry everyone bill, we lost you for a second there. he said the interval of every 30 minutes. what is a type that is something that the ph would do? >> it is man-made. when you are down there it is going to be dark, it is going to be cold but you're going to

try to send out some way to be noticed. but >>, will fix that because you're freezing a little bit. we'll fix that and get that back to you. tim, what do you think? >> i know ph and i actually met him on cnn ten years ago on flight to 70. we were set together. so i would agree he would be resourceful. he'd be macgyver-ing this they would need to be heard, and inclusive painter which i questioned on the ship. they are making this own accuse the finger. this is the case, the banging on the hall. and sending out signals and doing this on a regular basis. i'm sure exactly what they would say is that a regular 30 minute interval is a man-made thing. not a natural occurrence. >> given that this was picked up on the acoustic feedback machines. but now the service areas.

it's anything else it could be? >> it could be the titanic and something at the current drifting and banging. but every 30 minutes, every time it is a good sign of hope. >> bill, are you back with us yet? >> i'm here, yes man. so bill they have gone down twice to the site that they are trying. >> i'm into the rock site twice but i have not dive down in. but i've been out there and two different conditions. and let both of them. >> many you've been out on top of the water and they went all the way down? >> because we had ph on, as you said, in 2014 he was talking to our bill weir. and he was explaining what it looked like. so i want to play this for

everybody. poppy >> there is a huge debris fields where you can find a lot of things from china to piece of the wreck, and anything like that. the same conditions is totally dark and they have to use some light to see anything. >> so bill, as you can see him saying. it is totally dark, it is hard to see anything, so how will they, let's say that they have at some point that the next 30 hours that they could locate where the summer's abilities. how would they be able to spot it? how would they be able to find it? >> they would have some kinds of lights that will be shining in front of it. so that it cut illuminates an image from something that is in front of it. so they would be able to detect

that to thatso that they would p forward and see if the rv can go around and release the balance. if it could release the balance of that submersible then you've got archimedes working with you and it's going to start lifting on its own very quickly. it will still take two hours to get to the surface but inside they will know that they are underway. >> jim, well this banging help narrow the search? >> yes. yes they can triangulating noise. again, it's only happening every 30 minutes, they only have that update every 30 minutes. sofas happening permitted to be a lot easier in a lot faster. i would add to him the camera and the lights are on the rfp

but they're also be equipped with forelooking sonar. there would be able to look out to her 300 yards, maybe more, depending on how far they are off the bottom. and look with sonar. and scanned. so they'll be able to find a large object like the submarine, and the wreck, obviously with eyes using sound. so they will have more tools than just a camera. >> christine, i know other today, before we got this news you may have been hearing some banging. that you were, i think, fair to say losing hope. >> i was. i think we have to remember that we are still not there yet. if we can locate them, if it is them, what condition are they? and they have to be stressed. they're obviously very cold. they are in the dark. and we still have to get them to the surface. because remember they have been bolted in their. so when you bring that's up to the surface you have to release them. >> when you see them in a bolton in their. from the outside. people have the both the men and they don't have been a escape hatch. >> they do not have. we have to bring them to the

surface. you have to secure all the vehicles. and then you have the release them from this summer supple and, obviously, they've been through a tremendous amount. you can expect that the psychologically, physically, they are not at optimum capacity. that is, i still out hope that this is a wonderful wonderful breaking news. but we are not clear yet. there are so many things that could still go wrong. i think that is very important to notes, and very important to take very seriously and not lose sight of the fact that we have a recovery mission. >> just to recap everyone. crews searching for the summer spool heard banging sounds every 30 minutes today and after the use additional sonar devices they banging was still heard. this is according to an internal government memo. this is an update on the search. it is unclear when the bagging was her today, over how long based on the memo. it suggested, and they're more sounds her tuesday night. though that was not described as banging. quote, additional crucified

back was heard. and will assist and back service assets, and also indicating continued hope of survivors. tim, what is your hope level at this hour? >> a little higher when us than when i started the show. all right. there is a lot of work to be done if they are there. if they are in any type of shape that we don't know what happened in the first place. are they entangled in the wreck? finding them is the first thing. extricate-ing them. bringing them to the top as was stated a second ago is a whole other matter. we don't know what you're going to run into yet. this would be a whole other set of problems that are gonna have to be solved and very short order. >> and we don't even have the assets to do that. >> bill, very quickly. what is your level of hope now? >> but very strong. we are hoping for the best but and this is good news. the fact that there are several rescue vehicles either on-site or approaching the site is also strong from all of the titanic

community that supports and wants -- >> folks were gonna obviously keep you around and keep in touch with you as we get more information. so we'll say on the story of dismissing submersible will give you an update later in the show. all right, other news. donald trump used to say that he'd only hire the best people. but that is not what he calls them anymore. >> you called white house chief of staff, john kelly, weak and ineffective and born with a very small brain. you called acting white house chief of staff a born loser. you called for secretary of state, rex tillerson, that was a rock. and your first offense or canary, james madison, the world's most overrated general. you culture white house percocet and multiple times to efforts or transportation secretary, elaine chao, as mitch mcconnell's china loving wife. so, why did you hire all of them in the first place? >> let's find out what he calls anthony scaramucci in his walking out right now. we'll talk about that --

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new cnn polling said that donald trump's legal numbers are -- let's bring in our analyst, jennifer rodgers. former trump white house communication director, anthony scaramucci. podcast host, goldman whose and rolling stone columnist, jay michaels in. great to have all of you here. let's look at the polling numbers. it says here that donald trump's favorable numbers, this is among republicans. and republican-leaning voters. so in may they were 77% approval. now 67, unfavorable. and may was 18%. now it's 27%. and then in terms of giving the federal charges this was what was asked. trump should and his campaign. 90% of democrats, no surprise, so yes. 62% of independents say yes.

27% of republicans. what do you make of all of this? >> i think it is a small dent. i don't think it's a big enough dent, yet. but if those numbers really start to move he'll drop out of the race. he will not be able to handle a if this rating defeat in iowa or new hampshire south carolina? but >> he won't drop out before the i wore new hampshire -- >> but those poll numbers, no. but if you told me he went to 55% unfavorable in the republican party and you saw somebody like governor christie or governor desantis rise in the polls and you saw another indictment or to. and you saw him but he's doing with his hair or he's gonna get a new hairstyle -- you see a change in his hair? >> he's physically unraveling. just look at him. go back to the bright bear type. >> he was probably using sits cans of hairspray during the campaign, he's probably using one now and he's got to

straighten this out. he's a very image conscious guy. there's not of hairspray going on on the recklessness. you can tell that he's unraveling. people who know him can tell that this start to come undone. >> do you think this is a momentary sort of dip in his poll numbers and i'll come back? >> first of all i think this dip is probably happening because people are seeing, not just the indictment itself but how he is reacting to the indictment. his lawyers must be at home slapping their foreheads. just having but their client making them crazy. but there's a kind of thing it looks bad to his base. but as you can choose someone on fifth avenue but it remains to be seen whether he can basically make no effort to avoid prison without passing

off his base. >> chris christie said the same thing. he said he was incriminate him self in this bright bear interview. let me play for you the moment that chris christie was talking about about the classified documents. >> why not just hand them over them? >> i had boxes, i want to go to the box to get all my personal things out. i don't want to hand that over just yet. and was very busy, as you have sort of seen. >> is that incriminating? but >> absolutely, recordings our goal for prosecutors anyway. and so not a new defense and that he hasn't used before that i was looking through the boxes, don't have time to get through them the fence. which is ridiculous on its face and completely undercut by the facts. and not a legal defense in an imagination. it is definitely incriminating and it just says to me that he is now more concerned about the campaign that about the legal case. but think is kind of putting

all his eggs. as opposed to trying to fight in the courts where he's really knock would have a good time? but >> this has been encouraging look and i think if you look that independents number that you just put out there but. but most republicans are reasonable people. i may have different views from someone on the conservative side of the aisle. but this movement is becoming one of, and i say this is a rabbi, of spiritual darkness. this is a movement that he is now entirely a cult of personality driven by rage, grievance, and animus. and you can see this again and again and again. when you look at some of the rallies. this is not what the center of america's. most americans have made disagreements on a lot of issues but were reasonable people. these things for me, i think is exactly right. it is not just a death of 1000 close. it's a picture of a files, in the bathroom. this is clearly well beyond the vast middle of america's.

even if trump's harder core base denies it. >> he was too busy to go through the boxes? and you might sit on the golf shorts? >> it's obviously incriminating, but i think it's my opinion that is legal staff, the good one, the one that is the party right now are yes-ing him. he is in a very tough spot. and he's going to do what he usually does which is completely rely on himself and go with his intuition as opposed to great legal advice. it is going to lead to his downfall. >> meaning what? >> he will implode. he will do interviews like that to incriminate him. there will be more recordings of things that he is saying that are not sensible and that indictment will stick and he will have a small group of people that no matter what will say this is a witch hunt. and this is a government going after him. and the government is a bad actor and all the conspiracy tinfoil that people will stay

with him. but the people that james has mentioned, they will not. and when it happens but what they will say why did it take so long? but when it happens it will happen in a waterfall. it doesn't happen gradually. they'll be in that barrel going over niagara falls and people are like, okay, that was pretty predictable. >> and he's giving us some good visuals. and these metaphors that he's using. >> he's been the closest. they've done some hairspray ads. >> thank you all very much for this. meanwhile, republicans say that hunter biden got a sweetheart deal and a slap on the wrist. so what with the punishment before the rest of us? you've got a reality check next. and you got more to come on our breaking news on the search for the missing sub. banging sounds have now been heard every 30 minutes during the search and we'll have more coming up next.

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republicans. and protect democrats. >> one set of rules for republicans. and one set of rules for democrats. >> there was a lot of doubling down on this idea about illegal double standard. especially in the wake of donald trump's 37 count indictment. but does that stack up to the facts? well, the investigation was conducted by a trump appointee. attorney david west of delaware. specifically to reduce concern about politicize results. but of course hunter biden has been demonized by the right pretty thoroughly. just one measure, get this right, alexis next research found that he was mentioned more than 2200 times on fox news between 2020 and 2022. for those on the math at home that is about once a day. so don't believe the hype. instead, look at the cons. we know that other americans have taken from classified national security documents often receive stiff census. it happens in several cases recently as detailed by cnn's,

daniel dale. but willful failure to pay income tax? with a guilty plea? often does not result in prison time. especially since the money's been paid back with interest. that's the deal with hunter biden's case. he underpay, the iris by least $100,000. between 2017 in 2018. when he was a cocaine addict. he sensed paid up and we'll see pit probation. the gun charges a little bit strange. are there with me. basically, under biden's charged with possessing a gun when he was a drug addict. that is illegal. but rarely charged stand-alone. unless the gun is using a separate crime. get this, over six months from october 22 to march of this year, federal prosecutors filed over 3800 cases of on lawful possession of a firearm. a coin to a database by syracuse university. but only 3% of the time, balance makeup all statement to acquire the gun related to the league charge. so you can't reason someone

with -- the irs author jonathan wrote. but here's the big picture. the fact that some of the president was investigated by the governor and charged is actually evidence that no one is above the law in america. that is a good thing and that is a reality check. >> john thank you very much we'll check in with you very shortly. so, just to be clear, so i understand what john was saying. if any bus, under paid our taxes by hundred thousand dollars for two years in a row we would also get probation? or we would get a stricter sentence. >> honestly i'm not even sure you'd be investigated and charged in the first place. there's a very good argument here that were hunter biden not the presidents unknown would've been taken a look at him for all sorts of stuff that he's done in the first place. putting that aside, yes, you have a very good chance of getting probation if you pay back the money immediately, as hunter biden did. and think about this as well, because people are talking about this at the time's investigation. hunter biden was a crack cocaine addict at the time the offense conduct. that means if you are a prosecutor you're thinking

about taking this case to trial, felony trial, can you prove the jury beyond a reasonable doubt to unanimous jury, that is a proof question. that is an issue for them. so as you think about this case and how you charge it. that is another reason to think about trying to make a plea deal here which is what we saw on this community. >> so, do you feel the republicans will no longer -- >> for years now the republicans have been trying to make hunter biden out to be tony soprano? he's really branded slump. the guy we should have we -- he lost his brother he found to addiction and he clearly broke the law. and i agree with john. the fact that no one's above the law is a good thing. at the same time, the fact that this man who has made a bunch of mistakes, and has shown very poor judgment that this is the person who's at the center of these wild conspiracy theories by one of the two major parties of the country. that, to me, is what most shameful. >> thank you both, very much. all right, meanwhile, coming up

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devices were deployed, banging was still heard. okay, this is according to an internal u.s. government memo. it was unclear exactly what time this banging was heard. a subsequent update sent tonight suggested more sounds were heard. though they were not described as banging. i want to bring in, deep sea explore and oceanographer, david yellin. david, thank you very much for being here. what this is development tell you? >> immediately, the first thing is that it gets your hopes skyrocketing up. but it also makes you think that, wow, times are really now against us. so we really encourage you to do something but do it quickly. because you have to be a little bit of caution here because if you remember elation air there are all sorts of banging it beeps in hopes that were positively -- none of those things. i'm not taking away from this. but it gets the hopes of the families and loved ones up.

and it does cause an upbeat in terms of let's get the show underway. but so i am looking at it and it's a very positive sign. the next question is how do we investigate right away? >> but what about the every 30 minute intervals. what does that tell you? >> i'm thinking ph my dear and my closest friend and colleague is out there on that. and he knows what he's doing. maybe he figured that's the best way to make sounds every 30 minutes. and he would have had figure that out. . >> you are not the only person has said that. we just had another friend of his who said that paul henry would be doing something methodical in that.

so does this help -- i imagine this helps narrow the search. but you have any sense, i mean, have you heard earlier today the search was the size of connecticut. does this change that? >> i don't know where that came from. everything that's a search area that is incredibly large. i think of a lot smaller than that. much smaller than that. in my mind. but maybe they think he would drive further. it's a lesson we learned with their friends and sunken ships. the best place to look at is the last known position. and it's right above the titanic wreck site so the question is where those banks coming from? are they also coming from that area where they moving around the ocean? again i get a little bit agitated when they put something like that out because what do they do to investigate the location of those banks. not just that they heard them, but from where. and that seems like the kind of

thing the navy submarine hunter should be able to do to locate where that sound is coming from so that that came from a government memo and i started hearing about it two years ago a lot of people have said this is the real deal. >> i hear you, it is not just a witness. this is from a u.s. government memo. so very quickly, times of the essence, of course. estimates are that they have 30 hours left of basically oxygen supply. what needs to happen, right now, and they have the equipment to do it? >> i don't know exactly what is out there. i heard it was remotely operated vehicle and the very least need to get something with a camera and probably with some manipulator her arms that could grab and start moving. the first things you identify where the banks are coming from and the second thing would be

to remote move some of that multi operated vehicles to that area. and get them in the water. there may be nothing there. but in case there is who you have to wait a day to get that ship out there. and those are the -- document with the but ready to pursue tree what is there. >> it sounds like that is what they're working on right there. david, thank you very much. i know how nerve-racking this is for you. we will check that out. thank you very much. >> okay alison, take care, thank you. >> other news, donald trump might not be joe biden's biggest headache. in 2024. it could be a different candidates. could be a democrats. we're gonna show you who it is. icy hot pro starts working instantly. with two max-strength painin relievers, so you can rise from pain like a pro. icy hot pro. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ )

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candidate robert f. kennedy junior is speaking out tonight about the war in ukraine, and calling on the u.s. to stop, in his, words provocations of russia. >> i abhor russia's brutal and bloody invasion of that nation, but we must understand that our government has also contributed to its circumstances through repeated deliberate provocations of russia going back to the 19 90s. >> it is rfk junior presenting a problem for joe biden? my panel is back. rfk junior's poll numbers are at 20% right now, so biden is at 60%. rfk at -- someone else 8%. so, i know that you think democrats shouldn't sort of laugh this off?

>> no, i don't think democrats should. i think democrats, i will, we will make a similar mistake that was made with trump, which, is he seems like a clown, he is saying all this crazy stuff, he is an outsider, his fans seem taken in by misinformation. let's just wish this goes away by not taking it seriously, then we are all blindsided. >> what might happen if they don't take it seriously? >> well, i think frankly, he appeals to a lot of people. we should make a serious effort to understand why. obviously i watch the whole joe rogan episode, a lot of his ideas are just absolutely kooky, unfounded. but, he is also speaking to a very real resentment that people feel of the government's handling of covid. and, we know pharmaceutical industry is the number one lobby here, and, you know, cdc, fda, nih, unfortunately there is a revolving door in regulatory capture, and

corruption that is legal. people feel enormous resentment about how that led to policies that were heavy-handed, and rfk speaking to that. so democrats could be one of two things, they can just focus on his really loony claims, dismissed them as crazy, or they could come up with a counter narrative that is, we care about that as, well but we have a better way to solve it. >> thoughts? >> one way they can do is talk about the fact that the biden administration has been low pushing for lower prescription drug costs, against the wishes of said drug companies. but look, it is clear pulling herschel for a long, time there is a desire for an alternative to joe biden. for a variety of different reasons among democrats, his numbers are not as high as they should be for typical incumbent president. i don't think that bobby kennedy junior is the solution to that. the fact he is getting pumped up, particularly by folks on the, right as a credible alternative to joe biden, i think speaks to who he most appeals to. that doesn't mean there isn't even diagram overlap. bernie sanders to donald trump fans in the world.

but, no, you should not be dismissed. his claims need to be interrogated in a fact based way. and, when they, are many of his strongest claims break down the slightest bit of scrutiny. but, he sounds convincing, because he has inundated himself with the stuff. >> 2008, gentlemen, barack obama was not taken, seriously he was very low in the polls, clinton said do not attack, him he will be our secretary someday. he went on to become president. 2016, donald trump not taken seriously by anybody, candidates i work for, scott walker, jeb bush, take him out of the, race say something destructive, we thought mccain was going to cause that, he became president. i don't think rfk junior becomes president, but you can do heavy damage. he can weaken him going in. >> they have to go after him now. >> there is an additional factors, well the halo effect of his. name not just his last name, but his father. you know, robert f. kennedy --

a very sacred place in the memory of this, country in part because he was able to create, coalitions among african americans, and working class, whites no other candidates had been able to cobble together. the fact that he is of course assassinated 55 years ago this month, and that itself lends him and authority on the surface that you should not underestimate. >> i like rfk junior by the. way >> -- people who like the name kennedy, or someone said are resonating with the message, and people just want anyone but biden. i was intrigued by the comments today, not signaling necessarily run, but that biden hasn't delivered on these promises. -- i mean, it seems to me, a rational actual democrat running against joe biden might have a real chance. >> do you think are gauging and assert biden somehow? >> his poster say i'm a candidate democrat. that is good advertising. i believe that advertising is someone who is way out of step

with democratic party. >> he is already hurting. he's already hurting. >> he is very likable. he has a message that is reaching a demography that the president needs, if he gets, ten, 12 15% of the vote, the republicans will say, disguise, week even in his own -- you can get a slide that goes after the rfk people, it is not -- >> that is the bigger threat. >> we have bernie sanders voters by the way in 2016. >> -- wild anti vax conspiracy theories, the mainstreaming of both sides of the russia ukraine, that is exactly what the candidate -- >> this is the donald trump overlap on foreign policy, which we can -- >> the finding of i'm a candidate democrat speaks to something different, that means a patriotic liberalism. i think it is open, and this kennedys pelosi's do not actually backup. the fact he has 20% does --

and -- >> there is a soft -- [inaudible] he seemed strong. [inaudible] >> he comes across much stronger, and you, know able than joe biden. >> all right, we will leave it there, guys thank you very much for all that. tomorrow on cnn this, morning inside the first of its kind recommendation to screen all adults for anxiety. tune in for that at six 8 am eastern. thank you so much for watching us, tonight our coverage continues.

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